RedState’s Water Cooler – Open Thread – 3/26/17 – Birth of the Navy


This week, the RedState Department of History celebrates the United States Navy.

Tomorrow marks the anniversary of passage of the Naval Act of 1794, which authorized the creation of what eventually became the U.S Navy — but only after a lot of debate.

The young nation had been without a navy since 1785, when Congress sold the Continental Navy’s last ship, Alliance, due to a lack of funds.

However, the incursions of Muslim pirates around Algiers forced the hand of the Congress, which authorized the construction of four 44-gun ships and two 36-gun ships — but which also called for their cancellation if peace was agreed with Algiers.

The controversy centered on two key themes: finance and imperialism. A substantial amount of debate centered around whether the young nation could afford a standing navy, and whether it would provoke European powers if one was built. However, the measure was passed, and work began on “The Original Six”, if you will:

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In 1796, with construction on the first three ships still proceeding, a peace agreement was brokered and the infant Navy was shuttered. However, President Washington urged Congress to allow the first three ships on the list above to be finished, and the rest followed after a dispute with France in 1798 led to the XYZ Affair and the undeclared “Quasi War” (we didn’t like them even then, I guess).

Of course, as any student of naval history knows, the USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned ship in the Navy. “Old Ironsides” still resides in the Charlestown Naval Yard to this day. She cost $302,718 to build in 1794 dollars, which works out to $6,580,826 in today’s money.

Enjoy today’s open thread!


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Tomi Lahren Is OUT At The Blaze

Glenn Beck apparently felt necessary to take a stand.

Popularity or principle.

Last week, there was heated controversy, after Beck suspended on-air personality, Tomi Lahren, after she appeared on “The View” and not only announced that she was pro-choice, but that conservatives who supported the pro-life cause were “hypocrites.”

The problem with Lahren had been brewing for some time, however, with some saying she was difficult to work with, making irrational demands of staff, and showing a general disregard for those around her.

The bigger problem is that she was thrust into the spotlight based on her millennial appeal, rather than any actual life experience or mooring in principle.

She referred to herself as libertarian, a conservative, and a “constitutional,” so basically, anything that sounded cool as a combo, even if it made no sense.

Youth and cutesy shtick will only take you so far. At some point, you have to prove yourself grounded, reasoned, and with a basic, working knowledge of where you stand.

Lahren is all over the map, declaring that the government “get out of her body” when it comes to the life of unborn children, and it took her to a place her employer, Glenn Beck, was not willing to follow.

An article with Page Six is reporting today that the suspension, which was at first said to be for a week, is now for good.

“Glenn is reminding the world of his conservative principles by sidelining Tomi after she insulted conservatives by calling them hypocrites,” one Beck insider told me.

“He’s trying to balance being a leading conservative thinker and also someone who can unify the country,” the Beck associate told me. “He just couldn’t sit by and watch as Tomi Lahren said there’s no way for conservatives to justify anything other than being pro-choice.”

Lahren’s contract was said to be up in September, so Beck is just helping her get a head start.

For Beck, it’s a gamble.

Lahren jumped the Trump train early and was welcomed into the sphere of Trumpidian cultism.

They tend to lash out at any who are seen as attacking one of their own, and by proxy, attacking their cult leader.

Lahren’s appeal is limited, however, and if Beck and The Blaze continue to hold to the higher standards of conservatism, it is a storm that can be weathered.

In other words, Good for him.

We should never waver in our support for the unborn.

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Watch Ted Koppell Tell Sean Hannity to His Face He’s Bad for America

There are few in the media who have shamelessly shilled for Donald Trump more than Sean Hannity. His very existence as a member of the “news media” is a disservice to the American people and veteran journalist Ted Koppell told him so to Hannity’s smug face.

Just watch. It’s glorious.

Yes, Sean, you are bad for America.

“You have attracted people who are determined that ideology is more important than facts,” Koppell said.

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Bill Maher Becomes Christianity’s Unlikely Defender

And this is a freedom that entertainers have that, unfortunately, our politicians have to tip-toe around.

You’re not going to catch me cheering on Bill Maher, as a general rule.

The man is no friend to Christians, having made our beliefs a target of scorn and ridicule for years.

That being said, he’s not exclusive with his disdain for religion, and he has not held his tongue in the usual, liberal way, as far as protecting Islam from criticism.

Again, he’s no champion for Christ, but in a recent episode of “Real Time,” Maher came out hard against apologists for Islam, in forcing them to look at the differences between Christians in the world and followers of Islam.

On Friday’s broadcast, the recent terror attack in London, where four people were killed was the hot topic.

One guest, Louise Mensch, a former Conservative member of the U.K. Parliament, and current Heat Street columnist jumped to the defense of the Islamic community in London.

 “The guy was British-born. His name was Adrian before his converted. And partisans of Russia were out in the streets saying it was an illegal immigrant who did it, trying to turn the London people against our Muslim friends and neighbors. And you’re not going to do that.”

Maher responded:

“Let’s not pretend this has nothing to do with Islam, the religion,” he said.

“It doesn’t,” Mensch responded. “It has nothing to do with Islam the same way Timothy McVeigh had nothing to do with Roman Catholicism.”


Tim McVeigh seems to be all they have. He’s the go-to reference point whenever someone needs to talk about the violence of Christianity – that, and the Crusades.

“Every time some bomb goes off, before it goes off, somebody yells ‘Allahu Akbar!’” said Maher. “I never hear anybody go ‘Merry Christmas! This one’s for the flying nun!’”

Heh. Good one.

Of course, those who feel the need to cover for Islam won’t let facts slow them down.

“When Christians do anything like this, do we ever say, ‘Christian terrorism’?” asked Yale professor and author Timothy Snyder.

“No. But is Christian terrorism as big a problem?” asked Maher in response.

“If you lived in Oklahoma City in the 90s,” injected MSNBC host Chris Hayes. “We’re talking about London here.”

Seriously? I think we have enough problems in the now that gazing backwards is probably counterproductive, at this point.

You’ve got to have more than that.

“That’s a false equivalency,” Maher shot back. “Are there Christian terrorist armies like ISIS?”

“The IRA that blew up London for 15 years!” Hayes exclaimed.

“Yes. But that’s the past! We’re living in the now. There was also the Inquisition,” retorted Maher.

Nice way to get in front of that, because you knew it was coming, eventually.

“Are there Christian terrorist armies now. .. like ISIS, Al Qaeda, al-Shaabab, Boko Haram? Are there armies like that in the world that aren’t Muslim?” he asked. “Let’s not f–k around anymore! Can we get real?”

“I literally don’t agree with you,” Mensch said. “Russia is sending Chechen militants into ISIS trying to leverage this against a billion people.”

He made sense.

He made a lot of sense, but the contortionist views of the left won’t be easily bent.

It makes me wonder if they actually hear themselves.

When they’re alone at night with their thoughts, do they ever go back and question their rationale, in the face of reality? Are these real beliefs they have, or are they so bound to their ideology that the narrative is all that matters?

I’m cautious about handing out kudos to somebody who has been so vile and insulting to the very core of who I am, but I’ll just hang one on the end of a very long pole and extend it to Maher, here. He was right on the money.

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Strangest Bedfellows: Major Trump Critic Joins The Donald In Attacking House Freedom Caucus

Politics can create the strangest of bedfellows and nothing could be stranger than seeing one of the leading critics of everything Donald Trump did and said during the 2016 election cycle joining forces with President temper tantrum to attack the House Freedom Caucus for derailing the fraudulent Obamacare repeal and replacement bill.

Here is President Trump taking to Twitter over the last few days in regards to the Freedom Caucus:


Just to be clear the Freedom Caucus didn’t help out Planned Parenthood or save Obamacare, they actually tried to get all Republicans, Donald Trump included, to stick to their campaign promises for the last 7 years to REPEAL Obamacare, not take Obama’s name off of it and replace it with Trump’s.

One of those Republicans whose been saying(and voting) for these last 7 years to repeal Obamacare has been Illinois RINO Rep. Adam Kinzinger.

Kinzinger, who spent all of the 2016 election cycle attacking every word and policy position of Trump’s, and who has openly admitted that he didn’t vote for Trump(or Hillary, and diffenetly not Gary Johnson), has joined in with Trump attacking the Freedom Caucus over their gaul to actually make the GOP stick to its campaing promises.


Congressman Kinzinger also retweeted Trump’s Sunday attack on the FC, Heritage, and the Club For Growth.

In a statement he released after Obamacare lite was pulled by Speaker Paul Ryan, Kinzinger actually said that he wants to work with Democrats on healthcare:

I’m ready and willing to work with anyone, Republicans and/or Democrats, to fix our broken healthcare system and make it better for the American people…..Our constitutional system makes it nearly impossible to push legislation that checks all of the boxes for one particular ideology. It’s why we work together, as a legislative branch, to put together legislation that best reflects the core interests of the American people. Issuing ultimatums and derailing progress is not in the interest of the American people, and a wholly self-serving tactic. The American people deserve better and we as a legislative body can do better.

Actually Adam, you and your fellow RINOs passed that “checks all the ideological boxes” repeal of Obamacare bill just last year and could have easily revived that legislation instead of the monstrosity of a bill Speaker Ryan and President Trump pushed. As it stands the actual repeal of Obamacare bill sits collecting dust in a committee and Heaven forbid someone mention Sen. Rand Paul’s repeal bill.

As The Right Scoop reported Saturday Rep. Kinzinger told RealClearPolitics that he wants to see the Freedom Caucus taken on publicly and wants everyone to work instead with the non-existent centrists Democrats:


So why would someone who called Donald Trump everything from a WWE performer(true statement, see Wrestlemania 23) to a potty mouthed 4th grader join in the smearing and attacking of the Freedom Caucus for rightly pointing out the ACHA wasn’t in keeping with the promises every Republican in Congress, and the White House, made to we voters?

Well, thats because for the first time Adam Kinzinger and Donald Trump have common cause; hating on Conservatives for not being spineless squishes.

As longtime RedState readers may recall this isn’t the first time Kinzinger has gone on the warpath against the Freedom Caucus for getting in the way of the perfectly designed plans of the GOP establishment, which makes what Kinzinger told RCP a big, fat, whopper of a lie.

When the Freedom Caucus helped to push John Boehner out as Speaker of the House and then insured that Rep. Kevin McCarthy didn’t get promoted to the job Kinzinger went all over TV, radio, and print media to attack the Freedom Caucus, the so-called Freedom Caucus as he put it, because he thought that internal division being made public was bad for the GOP.

In Adam Kinzinger’s world a good Republican joins with Nancy Pelosi to revive the corporate welfare of the Export-Import Bank, agrees that Boeing should sell airplanes to Iran as a part of their deal with President Obama, and openly supports amnesty for illegal immigrants at every turn.

Congressman Kinzinger is also finding common cause with President Trump because he too has some longstanding issues with the Heritage Foundation and Club For Growth(along with FreedomWorks, conservative talk radio, and the Tea Party.)

The problem ladies and gentleman isn’t with the Freedom Caucus, or conservative Senators like Rand Paul, Mike Lee, and Ted Cruz(who combined were enough no votes to ensure Obamacare lite would die in the Senate) the problem rest with lying politicians like Adam Kinzinger and Donald Trump.

The two of you didn’t campaign saying you’d repeal the individual mandate just to replace it with a different kind of individual mandate, you didn’t promise us that you’d eliminate Obamacare subsides and turn them into tax credits, you didn’t campaign on keeping the high premiums and deductibles of Obamacare in place. You told us voters you would repeal Obamacare and this ACHA bill debacle just goes to show that we’ve been lied to. Not like that’s something new for Adam Kinzinger who lied during his entire 2010 campaign promising us Tea Party conservatives in Illinois that he was one of us, when he wasn’t, man gets a 33% rating at Conservative Review for a reason.

Enough of the lies, either get behind Rand Paul’s bill or dust off that same bill that passed last year so the entire nation can move on from the nightmare Obamacare and government run healthcare has created.

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